u3a radio podcast

u3a radio podcast August 2022

Episode Summary

In this episode, Peter plays a game of croquet with Witney u3a, Sarah learns about a UK-wide bridge competition to celebrate u3a week and Sam Mauger updates us on the 40th Anniversary celebrations. Do you have a story to share with u3a radio? Get in touch with us at communications@u3a.org.uk

Episode Transcription

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- [Nick] Hello, and welcome to episode 21

 

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of the u3a radio podcast,

where we look ahead

 

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to September's 40th

anniversary celebrations

 

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with the u3a chief executive Sam Mauger,

 

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but also in the next half an

hour with me, Nick Bailey,

 

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we explore the game of croquet.

 

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(ball being hit)

 

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- [Peter] And there, I have done that.

 

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And there goes my ball right out

 

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into the countryside, exactly.

 

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- [Nick] Change the "q" for

a "c" and you get crochet,

 

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but what does it have to do

with a Cuban revolutionary?

 

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- [Chris] A friend of mine

had redecorated his office

 

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and he's all- he's admired Che Guevara.

 

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And if I say the well

known, post-war Che Guevara.

 

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- [Jo] Absolutely. With his

beret and yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

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- [Chris] Red and black. And he said,

 

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"Could you crochet me a Che Guevara?"

 

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And I said, "Well, probably."

 

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- [Nick] And we'll hear about

a national bridge competition

 

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to celebrate u3a week in September.

 

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- [Steve] So no matter

where you are, yeah,

 

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you'll get the same hands and you'll be

 

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competing against somebody in Cornwall,

 

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or somebody up in the Shetland Isles,

 

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or in London, yeah, the

exact, the exact same hands.

 

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The advantage of that

is that you can then see

 

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at the end of the day, yeah,

how well you did against

 

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all your fellow bridge players.

 

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- [Nick] But first to those

40th anniversary celebrations

 

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Ela Watts spoke to the u3a's

chief executive, Sam Mauger

 

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and suggested that it had

already been quite a year.

 

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- [Sam] It certainly has.

 

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And it's enabled us to really

push some of the messages

 

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that we wanted to get out

to the wider population

 

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in the United Kingdom.

 

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So that sort of whole message

about positive later life,

 

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about the contribution that

everybody brings together

 

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in their u3as; their sharing

of skills and experience,

 

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and also the very innovative ideas

 

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that u3a members have got.

 

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So encouraging people to come and join us,

 

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being part of that u3a membership,

 

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because it's all there to

do in their retirement.

 

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There's lots to do, lots to

find out, lots to contribute to.

 

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And we wanted to share that message.

 

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- [Ela] And have you got

involved in any of the

 

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innovative things that

have cropped up so far?

 

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- [Sam] So I'm going to be going shortly

 

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to an anniversary quilt event in Witney,

 

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which I'm really looking forward to.

 

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I haven't seen the quilt yet in person,

 

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because that was a closely guarded secret,

 

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but I've now seen a picture of it.

 

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And it is absolutely fantastic.

 

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I mean, enormous, but really

shows the skills and talents

 

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of u3a members in those squares.

 

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We took place in some of the

picnic in the park events,

 

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so that was really lovely.

 

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I really enjoying that

kind of relaxed time

 

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of people coming together,

showing their cookery skills,

 

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and just actually being able

to have that social time,

 

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which u3a's are also so good

at doing and engendering.

 

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We're looking forward to having the film

 

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of the armchair discussion.

 

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The first one being between

Liz Thackray and Eric Midwinter

 

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which we're looking forward

to hearing the perspective of

 

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Eric, founder, and Liz, the current chair.

 

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So that's great too.

 

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And of course we have many

more events coming up.

 

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We've got the online science

network event and the

 

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research and shared learning conference.

 

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So yeah, lots of, lots

of good things happening.

 

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And of course, u3a week,

which will be celebrating,

 

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being part of the u3a wherever they are.

 

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- [Ela] Wonderful Sam.

So lots more to come.

 

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So could we have just a little update

 

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on the direction of the u3a?

 

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- [Sam] Yes. So the u3a

worked magnificently, I think,

 

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to get through the pandemic.

 

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So with all of those challenges and

 

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coming out of the pandemic.

We all hope, you know,

 

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it's all now under control,

but coming out of the pandemic,

 

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the movement is going through

a sort of reemergence or

 

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Renaissance, whatever you

would like to call it.

 

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And so there's a big focus

on opening our doors again,

 

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encouraging membership to come along.

 

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And there's been lots

of tools put together to

 

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encourage u3as and support u3as to do that

 

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and support u3as to

help each other do that.

 

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We're looking at developing

and supporting work around

 

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learning resources, including

online learning as well.

 

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So there's a piece of work

developing easy to find resources

 

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that have been put together

both by u3a members

 

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and other external resources

that u3a members use.

 

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Trying to really make that

online learning experience,

 

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where it is online, work very well.

 

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Also remembering the

support needed for people to

 

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meet face to face, whether

it's in terms of documentation,

 

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in terms of workshops but

that face to face experience,

 

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which u3a is really all about.

 

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We're looking at things

like the digital experience.

 

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And we are realising that

some people are really okay

 

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with digital and some

people are not at all.

 

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And remembering that we have

people in the movement that,

 

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that have less confidence with digital,

 

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and it's really important

always to keep that

 

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as a focus, looking at the

next generation of membership.

 

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So we have such a fantastic

membership currently,

 

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and we want to encourage

more and more people to come

 

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through to share their

skills and experience,

 

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and also to take some of the

pressure off those hardworking

 

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committee members that already exist.

 

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And also looking at where we can do things

 

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in partnership with other organisations,

 

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other charities that might be looking

 

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at the same things as we

are, and are there anything

 

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that they can learn from us

or we can learn from them?

 

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So a lot of, a lot of planning,

a lot of looking ahead,

 

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a lot of discussing with the

membership about what we should

 

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be focusing on and where

we should be going,

 

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but really building up on

that kind of reemergence that

 

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here's the u3a ready to go.

 

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- [Ela] What about what

we've achieved this year?

 

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In particular, this is a very

special year for the u3a.

 

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- [Sam] First of all, I think

a huge achievement was for

 

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u3as to come back out,

start working together, and

 

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start being out in

their communities again,

 

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sort of regrouping really

after the pandemic.

 

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And that was a big thing for

some u3as because some of

 

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them hadn't felt able to do

a lot during the pandemic.

 

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Some had done an awful lot,

 

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but it hit u3as in different ways.

 

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Around the country, around

all of the countries,

 

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the four nations, the u3as are back out,

 

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they're back as a presence.

And I think that has been

 

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a huge testament to that

feeling of community in u3as

 

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and that feeling of, you know,

what are we going to do next?

 

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How are we going to continue doing

 

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good and new things in the future?

 

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I think the 40th anniversary

has been a great opportunity to

 

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coalesce everybody around

that reemergence and starting

 

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again and us all doing

something to recognise that

 

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40 year experience that we've had.

 

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There's been also the

participation of u3a members

 

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in sharing their learning skills.

 

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So through learning networks,

through subject advisers,

 

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running online learning groups,

 

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we've had now over 500

u3as on the beacon system,

 

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which is fantastic, really well supported.

 

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And that is supported by a

group of dedicated volunteers,

 

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which has been excellent.

So, so that is good.

 

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I think that's fantastic.

 

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We've had u3as that have

become involved in looking at

 

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how they can raise

their voice about issues

 

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that's important to them, and

some have taken part in our

 

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workshops around voice and

how to do that properly

 

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within the confines of

being a u3a charity.

 

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So that has been really exciting.

 

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And there's the development

of the u3a strategy,

 

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which again, different

groupings of members of u3as

 

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are helping to develop as we

look forward into the future.

 

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So a lot has happened this

year and I've really given

 

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you only the sort of headlines

of it, but underneath that,

 

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there's an awful lot of

activity by so many u3a members

 

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continuing to make the u3a

 

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a fantastic movement to be part of.

 

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- [Ela] Thank you very much, Sam.

 

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The enthusiasm is contagious.

 

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- [Sam] Yeah (laughing)

It is. And you know,

 

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it's fantastic that we have such an

 

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enthusiastic movement and

a movement that really

 

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puts a hand up and takes

part and gets counted.

 

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Lots of, you hear a lot of discussion in,

 

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you know, outside of the

u3a, generally in the world,

 

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generally about how it's

difficult to get people to do

 

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this or that or the other.

 

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Well, the u3a movement is the opposite.

 

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So people come to the u3a

movement to take part.

 

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And I think that's a

real celebration where

 

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a movement of doers, of

people that get things done.

 

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The u3a movement this year

has shown that I think.

 

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We're back out there, we're

celebrating our 40 years.

 

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And we're looking to the future.

 

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- [Nick] The u3a's chief

executive, Sam Mauger.

 

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Sam mentioned the enormous

quilt at Witney u3a,

 

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which must have taken a lot of dedication.

 

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But when it comes to handy craft skills,

 

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there's no stopping u3a members.

 

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For instance, have you ever

heard of extreme crochet?

 

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Chris Winner, the Chair of Prestatyn, Rhyl

 

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and District u3a, has

developed her own style

 

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of extreme crocheting, as she

explained to Joanne Watson.

 

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- [Chris] Extreme crochet to me is

 

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using a crochet hook and yarn

to do something different.

 

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Be creative with it.

 

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If you like, make soft

sculptures and things like that.

 

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Working beyond using a pattern

 

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to develop your own personal ideas.

 

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- [Joanne] Now I'm a knitter

so I know how to knit,

 

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but I've never crocheted in my life.

 

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So explain to me how

difficult or easy it is

 

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to take up crocheting.

 

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- [Chris] Right. Well,

most people would say,

 

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"Well, you know, my mother taught me," or,

 

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"My grandmother taught me."

 

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But that's not the case with me.

 

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When I first started

working, I saw someone,

 

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one of my colleagues, working

with one hook and yarn

 

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and things seemed to be

growing really quickly.

 

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And I said, "Oh, isn't this...?"

 

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I'd heard about crochet obviously.

 

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And they said, "Stand

behind me and watch."

 

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And then I picked it up.

 

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So I was probably about 21

when I first started crochet.

 

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And the difference is

you have one hook, and

 

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generally speaking, one stitch.

 

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And also even with the

smallest crochet stitch,

 

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it grows quite quickly. And

I have no problem, you know,

 

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pulling something out or get

halfway through and think,

 

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"Oh that's not right,"

pull it out and do it again

 

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because I can do it quickly.

 

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- [Joanne] So for those

people who haven't got

 

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a lot of patience for knitting,

 

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crochet seems like a

really good alternative.

 

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- [Chris] Crocheting is

something that you can

 

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pick up and put down. I

know my mother would say,

 

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"Yes, you can pick up

knitting and put it down,"

 

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but you have to be a

little bit more careful.

 

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Crochet, one hook, a ball

of yarn, and a way you go.

 

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My mom used to do what

I call "Jedi knitting."

 

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So she could be watching

the TV and knitting,

 

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but didn't seem to do anything.

 

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And I thought, "Well, I

wonder if I can Jedi crochet?"

 

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And I did sort of for 30 seconds probably.

 

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I was crocheting with my eyes closed,

 

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and I could do it. But after a

while you do, with crocheting

 

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if you lose that stitch, you know,

 

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and you've got your eyes closed,

 

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you'd need to pick it up.

So you can't Jedi crochet

 

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in the same way that you can Jedi knit.

 

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- [Joanne] I've never heard

the expression "Jedi knitting."

 

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- [Chris] May the force be with you.

 

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Cause I am a sci-fi fan,

I refer to it as Jedi,

 

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you know, Jedi knitting,

 

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where you didn't have

to look at something.

 

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- [Joanne] How popular

is crocheting these days?

 

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Cause I associate it with my

 

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grandmother's generation

to be quite honest.

 

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- [Chris] During the seventies,

 

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it kind of had a revival

and it was kind of a,

 

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I'm gonna say hippie thing to do.

 

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Then it sort of faded away.

 

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I actually stopped crocheting

because I was too busy.

 

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I probably stopped crocheting

for about 20 years.

 

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But I do think there is a

huge resurgence of crochet.

 

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If you look at the number of

videos about crocheting on

 

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YouTube, and it could

be social media creating

 

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this sort of interest in crochet again,

 

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and other forms of craft.

And I would say it's

 

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more popular now than

it was in the nineties.

 

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- [Joanne] Do men crochet

in any great number?

 

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- [Chris] Oh yes. If you look on YouTube,

 

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there are a lot of men who crochet and,

 

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and because it's a craft, you know,

 

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and you get lots of women who do

 

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carpentry, and get the men who do crochet.

 

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- [Joanne] What's the

most extreme piece of

 

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crochet that you've done, Chris?

 

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- [Chris] Che Guevara.

 

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- [Joanne] (laughing) Che

Guevara, the Cuban revolutionary?

 

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- [Chris] Yes. A friend of

mine had redecorated his office

 

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and he admired Che Guevara.

 

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And if I say the well

known, post-war Che Guevara

 

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- [Joanne] Absolutely. With

his beret and yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

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- [Chris] Red and black. And he said,

 

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"Could you crochet me a Che Guevara?"

 

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And I said, "Well, probably."

 

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(laughs)

 

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So I looked at it and I thought

 

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"I'm gonna have to have

a pattern for that."

 

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You could make your own pattern by taking

 

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the poster and then gridding

it and then, and such like.

 

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But I thought, "I'll have

a look cause its bound to

 

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that somebody else has

bound to have done it."

 

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And I did find a pattern and I thought,

 

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"Well, not really keen on that."

 

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Wasn't really good. But I did

find a cross stitch pattern

 

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which was really, really

good. And I thought,

 

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"Yeah, I can modify that to

make it into a crochet pattern."

 

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Anyway, I transferred it

across onto a spreadsheet.

 

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And then I counted how

many reds, how many blacks

 

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for each row that I needed.

 

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And I was going along and I thought, "Mm."

 

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You couldn't tell. And

it was one of these,

 

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I called it, trust the process.

 

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Finished it. I had got to my last one and

 

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it didn't look anything like Che Guevara.

 

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It was all squashed up.

But of course, with yarn,

 

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and same in knitting really, your tension.

 

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And as I stretched it, I thought,

 

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"Oh! There's Che Guevara."

 

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So I pinned it around

a piece of foam board.

 

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And I think it's actually on the website.

 

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I think Che is up there somewhere.

 

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- [Joanne] How big was Che Guevara?

 

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- [Chris] It was probably A2

size, if that means anything,

 

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roughly the size of a poster.

 

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- [Joanne] I know in knitting you get

 

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different size needles, and if

you've got really big needles

 

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and chunky yarn, you can create something

 

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in almost in minutes.

 

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Does the same apply with crochet hooks?

 

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- [Chris] Yes, different

size crochet hooks

 

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made of different materials as well.

 

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I like metal hooks, but some

people like acrylic or plastic,

 

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but you can also get Rosewood hooks.

 

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You can get hooks made in bamboo.

 

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I've got my hook set that

I use most frequently.

 

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It's got a metal hook part.

 

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You can take the handle off

and add another hook into it.

 

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But the beauty of it is the

handle's got LED lights in it.

 

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So I can illuminate my

work as I'm working.

 

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- [Nick] No wonder sci-fi

fan, Chris, likes her

 

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illuminated hook handle.

It sounds exactly like a

 

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lightsaber straight out of Star Wars.

 

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And from extreme crochet

to genteel croquet,

 

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we sent Peter Clift

along to test his skills

 

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at the Witney u3a croquet group,

 

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where he first spoke to Valerie Palmer.

 

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- [Peter] Now Valerie is

croquet very, very popular?

 

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- [Valerie] Yes it is,

and becoming more so

 

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perhaps because of COVID, but also because

 

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people are realising that it's

actually a fun game to play.

 

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And u3a members can learn

it from scratch quickly.

 

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- [Peter] Is it a very

difficult game to play?

 

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- [Valerie] Golf croquet

is not so difficult

 

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because each of you takes a turn.

 

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The way it's played, we

help one another along.

 

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Association is croquet

which is more like snooker,

 

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and is much more technical.

 

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Golf croquet is much more

sociable and easy to pick up,

 

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to play to a standard, to enjoy.

 

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- [Peter] Do you have to be

very, very fit to play croquet?

 

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- [Valerie] No, and I'm a

prime example of not being fit.

 

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(laughing)

 

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I have back problems

and a shoulder problem,

 

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but I can still play croquet.

Our oldest member is over 90.

 

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Our youngest is probably in their 50's.

 

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- [Peter] Suppose like

all games and sports,

 

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is the social aspect important as well?

 

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- [Valerie] I think it is, yes.

 

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And I think particularly during COVID,

 

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people found it really helpful because

 

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apart from the very early

lockdown, which was,

 

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should we say "extreme" when

everything was shut down,

 

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croquet, like golf, was

one of the first sports

 

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that you could play again,

because you are outside.

 

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It's not a contact sport and

 

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it can be played at a distance.

We could keep our distance

 

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on the court, and they found it useful

 

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to be able to get out and see people.

 

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- [Peter] So would you

recommend croquet as a

 

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pastime for people to take up?

 

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- [Valerie] Absolutely.

 

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(laughing) I don't need

more endorsement than that.

 

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- [Peter] Well, I'm

joined now by Roger Booth

 

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and we're actually out

on the croquet court.

 

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So Roger, roughly how

big is a croquet court?

 

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- [Roger] The court is

measured at 35 metres,

 

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35 yards long by 28 yards wide.

 

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You can fit two tennis

courts onto a croquet court.

 

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- [Peter] Okay. So it's about

the size of two tennis courts

 

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and you've got a hoop

in roughly each corner.

 

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- [Roger] There are six hoops in all,

 

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four in each corner and

then two down the centre.

 

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And then there's a peg, a coloured peg

 

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right in the centre of

the pit of the court.

 

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- [Peter] And the rough idea then is that

 

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you start and you hit the ball,

 

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and you gotta get the

ball through the hoop.

 

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- [Roger] Ideally, in

as few hits as possible.

 

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- [Peter] In as few hits as possible.

 

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- [Roger] That's it.

 

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- [Peter] Right. Okay. And

I guess the one who does it

 

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in the least number of hits is the winner?

 

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- [Roger] Well, yes. In a nutshell.

 

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- [Peter] In a nutshell, yeah.

 

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- [Roger] As soon as you put

one ball through the hoop,

 

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everyone does not have to

go through that same hoop,

 

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everyone then charges on to the next hoop.

 

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- [Peter] Well, that

looks, given that you can

 

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get the ball through the

hoop, pretty easy really.

 

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Is that all you do? You just

hit the ball through those?

 

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- [Roger] Straightforward,

as easy as that.

 

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- [Peter] And nothing else happens?

 

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- [Roger] It takes years of practise

 

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(laughing)

 

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and I'm still not getting it right.

 

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- [Peter] And there,

there must be some kind

 

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of strategy to the game.

 

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- [Roger] Today, we are

playing golf croquet

 

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in a foursome, two against two.

 

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And it is often described

as chess on a larger scale

 

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because you're thinking about not only the

 

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shot that you're about to play,

 

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you're thinking about the next shot,

 

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and you're thinking about

the second ahead shot

 

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of what you're about to play.

 

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- [Peter] Right.

 

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- [Roger] So you're

working out the strategy.

 

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Who's going to play what?

 

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How is your opponent going to play?

 

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Is he going to miss?

 

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What happens if he does miss?

 

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It's all about tactics and

sinking one, two strokes ahead.

 

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- [Peter] I've heard it can be a

 

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pretty savage game in a sense.

 

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- [Roger] Well,

 

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(laughing)

 

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Yes.

 

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(laughing)

 

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Yes. If you want to,

 

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it is not only about knocking

your ball through the hoop.

 

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It is also about taking

your opponent's ball out.

 

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If the opponent's ball

is about to run the hoop

 

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and it's your turn next,

 

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then you want to take

out the opponent's ball

 

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to make sure he doesn't run the hoop.

 

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And to do that,

 

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you can send them as

hard as you possibly can

 

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to the far end of the court.

 

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So he's really outta the game.

 

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- [Peter] Ah.

 

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- [Roger] That's the tactic there.

 

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- [Peter] Right.

 

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- [Roger] And it gives great satisfaction

 

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when you whack that ball,

and he goes further.

 

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On the other hand, if you miss,

 

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it's a bit embarrassing.

You end up off the court,

 

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leaving your opponent

right in front of the hoop.

 

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- [Peter] Well, we're here on

a very nice, warm, sunny day.

 

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So given the English weather,

I guess croquet is a game

 

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you can only play two or

three weeks of the year.

 

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Is that true?

 

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- [Roger] Hmm. We are a tough old breed,

 

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these croquet players.

 

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- [Peter] Ah.

 

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- [Roger] Now we play all

round. We have a winter court,

 

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the two summer courts. We rest up,

 

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and we play throughout the winter.

 

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00:20:31,470 --> 00:20:34,500

This is not like cricket,

where rain stops plays.

 

455

00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:37,080

We play through the

rain when it's raining,

 

456

00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,380

and we even play when it's snowing.

 

457

00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:42,180

- [Peter] So you can

play croquet in the snow?

 

458

00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:43,590

- [Roger] You can.

 

459

00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:44,423

- [Peter] Okay.

 

460

00:20:44,423 --> 00:20:45,256

- [Roger] So you've gotta watch

 

461

00:20:45,256 --> 00:20:46,860

the colour of the ball, but yes.

 

462

00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:48,780

- [Peter] So an all

year round game, right?

 

463

00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:49,613

- [Roger] It is, yes.

 

464

00:20:49,613 --> 00:20:50,520

- [Peter] Right. Let's let's have a go at

 

465

00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,560

playing some croquet then. Alright.

 

466

00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,200

So all I have to do

then is to knock my ball

 

467

00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,480

and hit it through the hoop?

 

468

00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,342

Okay. So I'll have a go. Here we go.

 

469

00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:01,792

(ball being hit)

 

470

00:21:01,792 --> 00:21:05,400

Well, that's gone fairly

close to the hoop.

 

471

00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,320

So then it'd be your turn.

 

472

00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,153

- [Roger] Yeah.

 

473

00:21:08,153 --> 00:21:09,180

- [Peter] To hit the ball.

 

474

00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:11,070

- [Roger] And now he's

fairly close to the hoop.

 

475

00:21:11,070 --> 00:21:12,600

My opponent is fairly close to the hoop,

 

476

00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,822

so I will knock him clean

out of the way, hopefully.

 

477

00:21:15,822 --> 00:21:17,610

(ball being hit)

 

478

00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:19,320

- [Peter] And there, I have done that and

 

479

00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,370

there goes my ball right out

into the countryside, exactly.

 

480

00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:24,570

Well, thank you for that, Roger.

 

481

00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:25,562

- [Roger] Quite alright.

 

482

00:21:25,562 --> 00:21:26,395

(laughing)

 

483

00:21:26,395 --> 00:21:27,510

- [Peter] As I go off into the

country to retrieve my ball,

 

484

00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:30,900

I'll hand you back to the

studio and Nick Bailey.

 

485

00:21:30,900 --> 00:21:33,300

- [Nick] And I thought

croquet was genteel.

 

486

00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:35,940

So what about a nice game of cards?

 

487

00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:37,380

During the first part of the lockdown,

 

488

00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:40,044

Steve Carter from East Norfolk Bridge Club

 

489

00:21:40,044 --> 00:21:44,310

started up an online forum

for u3a members nationally

 

490

00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:46,950

to play bridge one evening a week.

 

491

00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:49,320

The great response to this encouraged him

 

492

00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,090

to set up a national bridge competition

 

493

00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:55,230

in September to celebrate

the u3a's 40th anniversary.

 

494

00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:58,500

Sarah Goodall asked him to explain more.

 

495

00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:01,290

- [Steve] The idea is that we are offering

 

496

00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:02,880

something for everybody,

 

497

00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,410

in the bridge playing field that is.

 

498

00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:08,550

And, so whether you are

playing online or whether

 

499

00:22:08,550 --> 00:22:11,070

you're playing once a week in your garden

 

500

00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:14,610

with a few friends over a

glass of wine or a cup of tea

 

501

00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:16,800

or whatever, there'll be

something for everybody.

 

502

00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,410

What we're doing over the whole five days,

 

503

00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:22,260

as you obviously know,

the anniversary week is

 

504

00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:23,550

from the Sunday to the Saturday,

 

505

00:22:23,550 --> 00:22:26,464

our actual anniversary

is on the 21st, yeah,

 

506

00:22:26,464 --> 00:22:30,060

but we are actually running a daily

 

507

00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:31,080

bridge competition on the

 

508

00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,732

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

Thursday, and Friday.

 

509

00:22:33,732 --> 00:22:36,988

And we'll be playing the same hands, yeah,

 

510

00:22:36,988 --> 00:22:39,390

all over the country.

 

511

00:22:39,390 --> 00:22:41,070

So no matter where you are, yeah,

 

512

00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:42,630

you'll get the same hands

 

513

00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:45,510

and you'll be competing

against somebody in Cornwall,

 

514

00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:47,580

or somebody up in the Shetland Isles,

 

515

00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:50,610

or in London, yeah, the exact same hands.

 

516

00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:54,180

The advantage that is that

you can then see at the end of

 

517

00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:56,190

the day, yeah, how well you did

 

518

00:22:56,190 --> 00:22:58,773

against all your fellow bridge players.

 

519

00:22:58,773 --> 00:23:03,420

We're also having some

experts who will actually be

 

520

00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:07,410

analysing those hands and

will then be sending out a

 

521

00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:10,710

commentary on the

following day, obviously.

 

522

00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:13,050

And that says, "This is how

the expert would've played

 

523

00:23:13,050 --> 00:23:15,520

the hand, and this is the

score you should have got,

 

524

00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,908

and this is the bidding

you should have made."

 

525

00:23:16,908 --> 00:23:19,920

Okay. So it's all good, exciting stuff.

 

526

00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,121

If you're a bridge player,

 

527

00:23:21,121 --> 00:23:21,954

(laughing)

 

528

00:23:21,954 --> 00:23:24,570

that's the interesting thing, yes okay.

 

529

00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:25,920

- [Sarah] I am not a bridge player.

 

530

00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,680

So what I'm wondering is, if

I get to the end of Monday,

 

531

00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,640

and I've done badly,

 

532

00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,190

does that mean I don't

get to play on Tuesday?

 

533

00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:35,070

- [Steve] Yeah. You can

play five times, yeah,

 

534

00:23:35,070 --> 00:23:36,360

during that week, yeah.

 

535

00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:37,320

What you can't do, of course,

 

536

00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,631

you can't play the same

hands again on the same day.

 

537

00:23:39,631 --> 00:23:43,182

That would be cheating,

and we don't endorse that.

 

538

00:23:43,182 --> 00:23:44,460

- [Sarah] And most

people will know how to?

 

539

00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:46,740

- [Steve] Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

 

540

00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:49,320

- [Sarah] How many groups have signed up?

 

541

00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,983

- [Steve] So far, we've had a sort of

 

542

00:23:51,983 --> 00:23:55,560

semi-commitment from 880 people.

 

543

00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,393

- [Sarah] Wow.

 

544

00:23:56,393 --> 00:23:59,370

- [Steve] So, so over

the, now knowing our luck

 

545

00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,080

of course, they'll all

want to play on the Monday,

 

546

00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,250

and nobody want to play on the

 

547

00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:03,600

Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.

 

548

00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,370

- [Sarah] It's quite a

useful exercise anyway,

 

549

00:24:05,370 --> 00:24:07,470

trying to locate all these groups because

 

550

00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:09,300

obviously, even though

I don't play bridge,

 

551

00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:11,370

I know it's one of the

most popular things in

 

552

00:24:11,370 --> 00:24:14,070

u3a memberships around the country.

 

553

00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:16,470

So at least you'll have

some data after this,

 

554

00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:17,610

won't you, by the sound of it?

 

555

00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:19,740

- [Steve] Well, I hope

so. I really hope so.

 

556

00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:21,090

And I'm hoping that it's going to be the

 

557

00:24:21,090 --> 00:24:23,310

forerunner of something else.

 

558

00:24:23,310 --> 00:24:26,190

It would be nice to be able

to run the same thing on

 

559

00:24:26,190 --> 00:24:28,584

u3a day every year, or u3a week.

 

560

00:24:28,584 --> 00:24:30,840

So again, it depends.

 

561

00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,873

This is the first time it's

been done, to my knowledge.

 

562

00:24:32,873 --> 00:24:34,620

So it'd be really good to find out

 

563

00:24:34,620 --> 00:24:38,458

how successful it is, and

how interested people are,

 

564

00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:40,980

and continue playing bridge.

 

565

00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:42,120

- [Sarah] Oh, that sounds fantastic.

 

566

00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,976

Don't forget to let us know

how it goes afterwards, Steve.

 

567

00:24:44,976 --> 00:24:45,969

- [Steve] Absolutely.

 

568

00:24:45,969 --> 00:24:48,150

- [Sarah] And how are people

listening to this podcast,

 

569

00:24:48,150 --> 00:24:50,790

is it still possible to

sign up even in August?

 

570

00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:51,840

- [Steve] Absolutely. Yes.

 

571

00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,370

- [Sarah] How would they do that?

 

572

00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:54,570

- [Steve] Get in touch with me.

 

573

00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:57,540

u3abridgegroup@hotmail.com

 

574

00:24:57,540 --> 00:24:59,940

What I hadn't told you earlier, Sarah,

 

575

00:24:59,940 --> 00:25:02,760

is we've had some really good responses

 

576

00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,940

from some of the bridge playing community.

 

577

00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:10,803

And one of the bridge

online playing platforms,

 

578

00:25:10,803 --> 00:25:13,560

called Bridge Club Live, have offered

 

579

00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,937

a 40 day free trial to all u3a members.

 

580

00:25:16,937 --> 00:25:17,813

- [Sarah] What is that?

 

581

00:25:17,813 --> 00:25:19,050

- [Steve] So what they're saying is

 

582

00:25:19,050 --> 00:25:22,440

normally they they'd

charge for that session.

 

583

00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,273

And they're saying, you know,

 

584

00:25:23,273 --> 00:25:26,040

we thoroughly endorse what u3a is doing

 

585

00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,770

and we'll support them

with a 40 day free trial.

 

586

00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:31,502

- [Sarah] So even more

incentive to take part.

 

587

00:25:31,502 --> 00:25:35,232

Well, I'm sure it'll be

a, not just a success

 

588

00:25:35,232 --> 00:25:37,170

and worth all your time and effort,

 

589

00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:40,046

but I'm sure it sounds

like it's going to be

 

590

00:25:40,046 --> 00:25:43,050

in the calendar, in the u3a calendar.

 

591

00:25:43,050 --> 00:25:44,370

I'm sure when people have got the

 

592

00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:45,766

bit between their teeth,

they'll want to do it again.

 

593

00:25:45,766 --> 00:25:46,599

So well done.

 

594

00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:47,432

- [Steve] I sincerely hope so.

 

595

00:25:47,432 --> 00:25:48,265

- [Sarah] Well done Sir.

 

596

00:25:48,265 --> 00:25:49,098

(laughing)

 

597

00:25:49,098 --> 00:25:50,301

I sincerely hope so.

 

598

00:25:50,301 --> 00:25:53,280

- [Sarah] For creating a new u3a custom,

 

599

00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,690

thank you very much, Steve,

 

600

00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:56,370

and good luck with the enterprise.

 

601

00:25:56,370 --> 00:25:58,020

- [Steve] And thank you for supporting it

 

602

00:25:58,020 --> 00:25:59,460

and advertising it.

 

603

00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:03,840

- [Nick] Steve Carter, the

subject advisor for u3a Bridge,

 

604

00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,030

and that email address again,

if you want to take part,

 

605

00:26:06,030 --> 00:26:09,933

is u3abridgegroup@hotmail.com

 

606

00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,630

And that's it for this edition.

 

607

00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:15,510

My thanks for the interviews

to Ela Watts, Joanne Watson,

 

608

00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:18,210

Sarah Goodall, and poor old Peter Clift

 

609

00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:20,010

who's still looking for his ball!

 

610

00:26:20,010 --> 00:26:22,890

And of course, Ela who

produces the podcast.

 

611

00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:24,660

Don't forget. We're always

looking for stories,

 

612

00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:27,930

whether it involves you or

someone else in your u3a.

 

613

00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:30,480

So we'd love to hear from

you. Get in touch through

 

614

00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,010

communications@u3a.org.uk

 

615

00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:39,197

Until next time, this is

Nick Bailey saying goodbye.

 

616

00:26:39,197 --> 00:26:41,780

(upbeat music)

 

617

00:26:45,929 --> 00:26:48,429

(music fades)